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. >> chris: i'm chris wallace. bridging the differences in the battle of the budget. ♪ >> chris: president obama reaches out to all members of congress, just as house republicans and senate democrats come out, with dramatically
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different blueprints for our fiscal future. what are the chances for a compromise? well ask two senators leading the debate. democrat dick durbin and republican, bob corker. then, republicans at a crossroads as conservative activists gather in washington, g.o.p. leaders argue about the future of the party. we'll discuss differences within the g.o.p., with matt kibbe of freedom works and former congressman steve latourette of the republican main street partnership. plus, the u.s. response to north korean threats by beefing up its missile defense as the president heads to israel. we'll ask our sunday panel whether mr. obama has the right answers to foreign policy challenges around the world. and, our power player of the week. a celebrity chef combines the classics with the cutting-edge. all, right now, on fox news. ♪
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>> chris: hello, again and happy st. patrick's day from fox news in washington. the president met with republicans and democrats, in both the house and senate this week. but, for all the talk of a grand bargain, there was no sign the two parties are any closer to bridging the divide over our nation's debt. we want to discuss the chances for a deal with two key senators. dick durbin, the senate's number 2 democrat joins us from chicagoan tennessee republican bob corker is in chattanooga. so, gentlemen, while the president was meeting with members of congress, house republicans and senate democrats put out their budget plans which had dramatic differences. let's look at them. the g.o.p. plan would cut the deficit $4.6 trillion over ten years, all through spending cuts. the democratic plan would cut the deficit $1.8 trillion. half through spending cuts and half through tax hikes. senator corker, let me start with you: will senate republicans accept a
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tax increase, if you get serious entitlement reform and cuts? >> well, i think senate republicans and all republicans want to see a 75-year solution to entitlements. and, i think republicans are joined in wanting to see tax reform. so, to the extent that generates revenues and how that is scored, obviously, that will be debated as we move ahead but i think all of us understand the real issue driving the deficits we have in or country, are the entitlements, and, that what is we want to see solved and we want to see these available for generations, generations to come. >> chris: but, quickly, you understand the price for entitlement reform in any deal would be a tax increase. would you buy that and what do you think the prospects is there will be a deal sometime before this summer? >> well, again, i think... i think, there, by the way, is a chance on a deal. i know the president is saying the right things, and we have an opportunity over the next four
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to five months, i think, that we'll know when the president is serious by virtue of a process that is set up where he's actually at the table and whether he has a designee and, whether he begins to say publicly to the american people, to all americans, that he understands that americans are only paying 1/3 of the costs of medicare and that has to change for the program to be here done the road. but, look, chris. i think republicans, if they saw true entitlement reform would be glad to look at tax reform that generates additional revenue. and it doesn't mean creeping rates, it means closing loopholes. it also means arranging our tax system so we have economic growth. and i think we have been saying that from day one. >> chris: well, senator durbin, i heard some give there from senator corker. let me ask you: are senate democrats willing to make serious cuts, reforms to entitlements, if you get added tax revenue? and what do you think of the
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prospects for a grand bargain. >> chris, let me tell you, i think bob gave an honest an constructive answer. really, what he articulated is what he did in the bowles-simpson commission and i want to thank him for that, patty murray has done an extraordinarily good job and we will move to the next stage, the grand bargain stage and the president is trying to set that up, sitting down on a bipartisan basis, not eliminating medicare, as i'm afraid the paul ryan budget would do but making sure it will survive for generations to come and putting revenues on the table that are fair and will not penalize the working people across america and making sure it is a balanced approach. i think what bob corker said from his side is a basic set of principles, that both parties can rally around. >> chris: and, real specifically because i want to pin you done on this: are you saying you would accept
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structural changes -- as you say, not doing away with medicare but structural changes and cuts to entitlements. >> let me tell you what we are facing in ten, 12 years, medicare goes broke. that is unacceptable. we want to make sure that medicare is there for generations to come. and, that means making some reforms and some constructive changes. the paul ryan voucher approach is destructive of medicare. it will not survive. millions of americans will lose their benefits. but, there are ways to approach it. to reduce the cost of medical care, and still keep our promise to seniors across america. >> chris: part of the problem in the debate is that the parties seem to be disagreeing about the importance of dealing with our national debt. i want to play what president obama said this week, and, also, what he said back as a candidate in 2008. take a look: >> president barack obama: we don't have an immediate crisis in terms of debt in fact for the next ten years it will be in a sustainable place.
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>> we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back. $30,000, for every man, woman and child. that is irresponsible. it is unpatriotic. >> chris: senator durbin, when candidate obama said that our nation the debt was $9 trillion and now it is $16 trillion and so the question is, if it was unpatriotic at $9 trillion, is it sustainable at $16 trillion? >> chris, here's the good news. we have reduced the long term deficit, by about $2.4 trillion. that is including only $600 billion in new revenue as part of the fiscal cliff. we have to do more but we have taken the edge off the crisis, i'll concede that. what the president is pointing to is this: we need strong economic recovery and need to put americans back to work. that is our first priority. deficit reduction, i would put as the second priority, and, one that is coupled with economic growth.
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so, i think we can do both. make sure we have deficit reduction but don't cut too much, too fast. take, for example, the sequestration. 700,000 american jobs will be lost. this is not the right thing to do. not the right time to do it. we have to phase it in and sequence it so we have economic growth, and, americans paying taxes. that really helps us recover. >> chris: senator corker. some democrats -- and you just heard this, sort of, from dick durbin but i have heard it n mo extreme forms from other democrats, it is more important to have national growth than to deal with the national debt. what is your response. >> we should have economic growth and i'd like to see that happen and reducing the deficit helps create economic growth so, look, i think it is ridiculous to say cutting $1.2 trillion over the next decade, when we spend $47 trillion, of your money, is a step too far. of course we need to do that and, on top of that we need to
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build towards these entitlement reforms which obviously are creating the huge debt down the road. but, look, i think it was disappointing to all of us to have the president come in, talking the way he is and by the way, i've attended the dinner and been on the phone calls and met with the white house and appreciate the outreach. but in the midst of that, to act as if this deficit issue is not that important, was a little disheartening but i think, chris, again, i think we have the best opportunity we're going to have, under this president, over the next four months, to solve the problem. and i look forward to work with dick durbin and others as we kind of build on the commonalities that we have. we have a lot of things that separate us. but, there is enough commonality here, i think, to build off of that. it is the most important thing we can do for our nation's economic growth and long term security, and that is what we need to be focused on. >> chris: before we move on, because, you know, i am getting a kind of hopeful sense from both of you and i want to pick up and button it up quickly with you, senator durbin:
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do you agree it is the last best chance for a big deal? and how optimistic are you that you will be able to pull it off between now and, let's say, midsummer? >> listen, if you are a senator you have to be patient but i have been at this for years and this is an excellent oprtunity. but, both sides have to come together. and i think what bob said and what i've tried to say this morning is there are elements of this we can all agree on, on a bipartisan basis. i think what the president is trying to do is not a charm offensive, but basically to say to the republicans, i'm serious about this. i will sit down with you, and honestly work to come up with a grand bargain. let's not miss this opportunity. >> chris: before you deal -- go ahead, senator. >> if i could say one thing, i think we are all going to know, again, when the president is serious, will be when he begins using the podium to explain to the american people that the average american family is only paying 1/3 of the cost of
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medicare. when he begins to lay that out, from his podium -- i have been sake it for years an dick durbin has been saying it for some time -- but when the president uses the bully pulpit to explain to the american people the families are only paying 1/3 of the cost of medicare, we'll know that we have gbegun the process of tryig to solve the problem and i hope that happens when he gets back from israel. >> chris: you have a more pressing problem and have to pass the continuing resolution before march 27th and you are going on recess at the end of this week. to keep the government running, otherwise, it shuts down and the question, senator durbin, will the senate pass a cr, continuing resolution that keeps spending at $984 billion, which is what the spending level is of the house cr, including the sequester cuts? >> chris, when i left washington, on thursday, we had 99 amendments pending to this
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continuing resolution. the budget for the federal government. 99 amendments. 6 of the amendments were on the issue of our relationship with egypt. this is all very important, i understand. but, we have work to be done in just a short period of time. i urge my senate colleagues, let's be sparing in the amendments, and get the cr passed. we can do it and do it quickly, this coming week. >> chris: direct question: would you accept, pass a cr at $984 billion, which is the house level that includes the sequester cuts? >> listen, we have put together a cr that is acceptable in its terms to the house of representatives and we can agree on what they'll be. >> chris: we're running out of time, i want to ask you a question you are involved in, senator durbin, you are part of the senate group working on immigration reform. are you going to be able to come up with a plan that creates a pathway to citizenship, for the 11 million illegals who are now in this country? and if so, when will you put the
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plan on the table? >> we are working, literally, hours every week, four democrats, four republicans. and, we're making progress. there are still tough, tough issues out there but i feel good about it. there is a feeling in the room we have a responsibility to this nation after 25 years to write an immigration law, that we can live with for generations to come. >> chris: what is the biggest problem? >> there are several problems. you know, we are dealing with border enforcement, which is very important on the republican side of the table, we are dealing with the question of the 11 million people paying their taxes, having a path to legalization, and, then ultimately, to citizenship. tough issues but we are coming together and i think we can do it. i have a positive feeling. >> chris: finally, senator corker, you are the top republican on the senate foreign relations committee and this week on friday the pentagon announced they will deploy 14 additional missile interceptors to alaska to deal with the potential nuclear threat from
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north korea. what do you think of the idea and how serious do you think the threat is from the north korean regime and are we paying a price for the fact that president obama scaled back on missile defense when he came into office? >> look, i applaud the efforts. i talked to senator kerry and i know we have a group heading of you to poland, on monday, to talk about this further. i applaud it as i mentioned. i do hope we'll focus on a base on the eastern side with radar facilities. and i think the question is, chris, how does the nondeployment of the european base system affect us over time. so there are technical issues we'll be getting into this week with the pentagon and the state department. but, certainly, i think most all of us applaud the efforts to beef up our missile defense on the west coast. >> chris: do you think that kim jong-un and the north koreans are a real threat to the u.s.? >> i don't think that threat is
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imminent and, i don't think they have the mechanisms necessary to really harm us but it is really good we are taking the precautionary measures to make sure they cannot do damage. it puts us in a different place as it relates to negotiating with them and, at the end of the day, chris, i know there's a lot of talk, 6-party talks and all kind of things that are occurring and all of us understand the key to this will be china. they are the ones that can actually affect the behavior in north korea because of the trade issues and certainly the support issues coming from china. into north korea. hopefully, china sees the threat to -- for nuclear proliferation in that part of the world, in the event they are not able to stop what now, is doing. >> chris: senator corker, senator durbin, thank you both. we'll have to leave it there. thank you for talking with us and, no doubt, there is tough bargaining ahead on the budget. thank you, gentlemen. >> thank you. >> chris: up next, the battle inside the g.o.p. over how to grow the party. ♪
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>> chris: the conservative political action conference held its annual meeting this week and if you can believe it, a presidential straw poll for 2016. here are the results: tea party favorite, kentucky senator rand paul won with 25%, senator marco rubio at 23%, and former presidential candidate rick santorum a distant third at 8%. the meeting highlighted the disagreement over the best way
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for the party to broaden its base. matt kibbe is president of freedom works, a leader of the tea party movement and former congressman steve latourette is head of the republican main street partnership and, gentlemen, welcome to fox news sunday. >> thanks. >> thanks for having me. >> chris: congressman latourette, during the lame duck session in december you talked about the 40 to 50 chuckleheads, your phrase, in the house, who are blocking speaker boehner from making a budget deal with the president. what is it about the tea party freshmen that make them chuckleheads. >> i don't think i would say it is all tea party freshmen, it is those who seem more interested in voting no and going home than governing and that comment was made after plan b, and, you have to recognize -- >> and plan b was to just raise taxes on people making over a million dollars. >> yes. and it was the opening gambit and would have given the speaker the opportunity to go to the white house and over to the senate and say, here, i have a
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package, and, let's continue our negotiations. when you take it down, as the speaker said in our meeting after that, you send him to the white house naked. he has no armor, he has no tools. >> chris: looking forward, what is it about the tea party and its views on spending, and taxes, that members of the republican establishment, like congressman latourette don't get. >> you have to take a step back and the only reason we are talking about a balanced budget and have a serious debate about 16-plus trillion in debt is because of the tea party clash in 2010 and, the folks in 2012 and you have to stop this process, this bipartisan process, of just kicking the can down the road, creating these artificial crises and new year's eve and say, let's put ideas on the table and stop playing the game. that is what he have done. and we are never going to fix the problem just by pretending that the process of
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bipartisanship somehow gets to real problems, because that is how we got here the crisis was created by both republicans and democrats. not willing to make tough choices. >> that flies in the face of what dewee did in the 1990s, bill clinton was the president and, newt gingrich was the speaker and we created the balanced budget act in 1997 and it was, frankly during the bush years of spending multiplied by the obama years we have the mess an at the end of the day, my difficulty with the too party freshmen is not the true passion they bring to this, they are an important part of the republican party but at the end of the day you have to govern. saying no doesn't get you anything, and it creates these false acrocrises and you can ge past that if you work something out and it doesn't mean surrendering principle or becoming a democrat or a -- it means working together in a way you get 60% of what you want. >> you have to go back, i don't think the tea party has created the budget crisis. we came in with our members, and tried to do something about it. i remember a day when apri 15th
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is when the house and senate had to pass the budget resolution and i remember when they had to reconcile the 13 appropriations bills and i remember a day when the president actually had to introduce his budget, and today we don't do any of that stuff and that is how we got to the $16 trillion, and, there is something rational about standing on the tracks and saying, you know, we can't do it this way anymore, we have to do it another way. >> if that was the way these guys were operating i'd be for that. for instance we couldn't get our labor, health and human services bill, the biggest of the bills besides defense out, because three of our members would not support the chairman's mark. that is not trying to solve the problem. sorry. i'm telling you, you can't get it done. and, just voting no and holding your nose and saying, if it passes, i can go home and my local tea party and say, i voted no. that is ridiculous and makes them chuckleheads.
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>> chris: another subject. one of the recent splits in the party -- and we saw it in the last week, has been over national security. you backed rand paul's filibuster of the president's drone policy in the senate. you also backed the sequester of across the board cuts even in the pentagon but isn't one of the g.o.p.'s strengths with the american people, that it is tough on national security? >> well, you can be fiscally responsible and tough on national security. i think it would be -- >> the drone has nothing to do with fiscal issues. that is a -- >> certainly. so there are two issues. one is about basic civil liberties and i think the new g.o.p. reflected by rand paul's willingness to challenge the status quo in both the republican and democratic parties, that is a healthy thing. and, young people in particular, they are looking for leadership that is willing to challenge the idea that the government is always right. i think that is where we are, as well. but on defense, and on, frankly, any budget, any program, any
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department of the federal government, let's all acknowledge there is waste and things that need to be eliminated. and, a trimming of defense would be a very healthy thing. and you have to put everything on the table. you can say, this sacred cow cannot be touched. the g.o.p. made that mistake. >> chris: congressman latourette, rand paul in his speech at cpac talked about defense hawks like john mccain and lindsey graham, as stale and moss-covered. there is a weariness in the country. should the republican party, and it is trying to grow the party, should it be pulling back on national defense? >> well, i grew up in the era of the $800 hammer and $600 toilet seat and there are efficiencies there but looking to the constitution for something that government is supposed to be involved in, it is defending the country and, the sequestration was the most ham-handed way of dealing with things and we only got there because of the assumptions that exist, because democrats will not give an inch,
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and, you know, it is incumbent upon us to find the sweet spot, boehner tried to do it with the president and the president wasn't willing. but, we have to find the sweet spot that includes the pentagon. >> chris: you said dysfunction and you kind of motioned in mr. kibbe's direction. do you think the tea party is adding to the dysfunction in washington? >> no, not at all. the tea party is an important part of the coalition that is the republican party but my difficulty with not necessarily mr. kibbe's group but others like his, there is now a litmus test what makes a good or a bad republican and the reason that we don't have a republican president, today, in my opinion, is that we don't represent the whole country. we don't have one member of congress who is a republican from the entire eastern sea coast. you get down to the carolinas and virginia. you can't govern the country unless you look like the country. and, so i think they are an important part of the coalition but are not the republican party. they are part of the republican party. >> chris: how do you respond to that? in a
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have energized the party. >> if you look at the next generation, the people we are excited about are tea party freshmen, rand paul, ron johnson from a purple, maybe blue state... pat toomey from pennsylvania and, marco rubio. we have brought diversity, we have brought energy and, most important, i think we brought ideas because we are color blind about this but if you want to come to the senate, come to the congress and offer a plan to balance the budget, we'll support you. put your ideas on the table. that is what is lacking in the whole debate. >> i've got to say, sadly what they've also got is harry reid as the majority leader continuing in the senate. if you look at the nevada race, sharron angle and richard murdoch in indiana and -- i forget her name, the witch in delaware. >> chris: christine o'donnell. >> you can have functional control of the u.s. senate today but for the litmus test that
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exists today. >> chris: and the republican candidates, who went down in the last election, too. >> but they went down from the standpoint they lost the democrats and mr. murdoch, we are supposed to -- >> richard murdoch, indiana. >> why we don't have the women's vote and we have a candidate suggesting a child born as a result of rape is a gift from god? i am not wondering why we don't have more women voting for republicans. >> chris: let me ask and this is the last thing we'll get into here, karl rove -- who will be a panelist -- called the conservative project to get into the primaries to make sure there are more electable republicans, who can win the primary and the election and, you have your own super-pac to promote electable candidates in republican primaries. do you have a problem with that? why do you think that is wrong. >> the definition of electable is what we are debating and look at who has been winning elections, it has been interesting, exciting, young,
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energetic people like marco rubbo and, if you apply the establishment litmus test which tends to be biased for people that are already in office, you will not get that new energy. would we have gotten pat toomey? remember, karl rove supported arlen specter as far back as 2004, against pat toomey with the logic that he couldn't win and arlen specter flips party when it was convenient and became the 60th vote for obamacare and we need to be careful, what it means to be electable and certainly the tea party doesn't bat a thousand but at least we're winning elections, we're bringing new people into the party and we're not in a position where the democrats can jam something through 60 votes in the senate because of the tea party. >> i have to tell you, there is no litmus test. i'm happy to have anybody who labels him or herself as a republican and wants to prep e
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represent the country. we're not talking about the governor of texas or utah, if we want to be a national party we have to look like america. today, we look like a bunch of guys, white guys, from below the mason-dixon line. >> chris: how do you look more like america. >> you have to talk about issues in the way i have to. for instance, i never read anything in my republican play book and i have been a republican since the day i was born, that says that republicans and trade unionists cannot get along, and, the operating engineer, and, somehow, the whole war on prevailing wages is a play for the republican party -- no, it is not. same with the environment. i live on lake erie, we don't have to be opposed to everything that gets us clean air and clean water. but look at the key votes some of these groups are scoring, 18 votes was scored by mr. kibbe's group out of a thousand that took place, last year. you can make -- like a poll, you can make it look any way you want to. >> chris: you get the last word.
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>> you look at the new republican party, the party that stands for something, you look at names like tim scott, and ted cruise and marco rubio and justin amash, and, this is the new future and it is based on ideas and we don't care about the color of your skin. >> chris: we'll have to leave it there. but, to be continued. mr. kibbe, congressman, thank you both for coming in, we'll stay on top of the debate and, in addition, up next, we'll continue the conversation with our sunday group. what does the g.o.p. need to do to attract more voters? ♪ investors want. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 like no atm fees, worldwide. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 and no nuisance fees. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 plus deposit checks with mobile deposit. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 and manage your cash and investments tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 with schwab's mobile app. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 no wonder schwab bank has grown to over 70 billion in assets. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 so if you're looking for a bank that's in your corner, tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 not just on the corner... tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 call, click or visit to start banking with schwab bank today. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550
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>> if mr. paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. >> the g.o.p. of old has grown stale and moss-covered. [cheers and applause]. >> i don't think we need to name any names. >> chris: republican senators john mccain and rand paul, trading pretty tough shots about paul's recent filibuster over the president's drone policy. and, it is time for our sunday group, bill kristol of "the weekly standard," nina easton from "fortune" magazine, the founder of american crossroads, karl rove and, democratic strategist joe trippi. you have an article in the weekly standard in which you have, bill, rand paul is wrong on national security as a matter of policy.
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and, politics. why? especially is he wrong on a matter of politics? >> i think it is the republican party to the degree, it is a successful party and an important party and a contributor to american well being over the last 50, 60 years has been in large part because it is a party of strong national security and, republicans -- you can say they are moss-covered, but shg, some of us are proud t have worked for ronald reagan and, been in the bush administration and the problem with the obama administration is not that it is too assertive but that we are retreating all over the world as unfortunately, emboldening our enemies and if rand paul wants to run to the left of the obama administration, he's free to try and maybe there is more support than i think but i'm doubtful that there really is. >> chris: nina, the president clearly thinks that, quote, bringing our troops home, not in a rush, but, steadily, and,
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eventually, is a winning message and in the last campaign, frankly, republicans were not talking a lot about open-ended foreign commitments. so does the g.o.p. need to recognize and respond to a war-weariness in the country. >> i think the drone issue and war-weariness are two different issues and rand paul's war on drones is a sort of a war on a pretty successful fight against terrorism, right now and i'm not sure where it gets us. i agree with bill. you know, the g.o.p. doesn't lose by being a strong party of national security. what we -- what the republicans lost were moderates. in the election. 56% of moderates went to self-described moderates went to barack obama. not to the party. those are the people you need to get back. you will not do it by a drone -- going after drones, you will do it by not making comments about, quote, legitimate rape or appeal
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to single women or those at the bottom of the economic ladder, which we heard at cpac, from a number of speakers... >> chris: everybody agrees, legitimate rape was stupid and a child out of rape, that is what god intended but in a more subtle way, rand paul talks about the need to embrace liberty and the personal sphere and said maybe we don't enforce the drug laws entirely. you know, that gets to be a more tickle issue, and the fact is, the social conservatives are a big part of the conservative base. >> but he didn't go down the road of, for example, gay marriage where there is a sea change in this country and some change within the republican party, over. and -- >> what do you think would happen if you became more accepting of gay marriage in the republican party? >> i think if you included people who were accepting of gay marriage in the the republican party, that is not necessarily the platform of the republican party, then i think it helps the
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republican party this. party needs to be more inclusive of people of different views. >> chris: karl, i want to pick up on that and i want to ask you, specifically, because you have a dog in this fight as we mentioned earlier, you are one of the founders of american crossroads and are also starting this group, that was discussed in the last segment, conservative victory project. and, the idea is to help republicans in their primaries, and back people who could actually get elected in general elections. sarah palin, went after you at cpac yesterday. let's take a look: >>... these experts who keep losing elections and are rehired, raking in millions, if they feel that strongly about who gets to run in the party, buck up or stay in the truck, buck up and run. >> chris: are you bucking up? i'm not sure i got that. stay in the truck or running, she says, the last thing the party needs is people from the
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washington establishment, didn't mention any names but i think you were who she was talking about, vetting republican candidates. >> well, first of all, i live in texas and not washington. >> chris: yeah, but... you are... >> second of all, look, sarah palin should be agreeing with this. she didn't support todd aiken and the reprehensible things he said, she said, he ought to get out of the race them. red candidate in missouri and if she can play in primaries, others can and i have to set the record straight on two things. i'm a volunteer and i don't take a dime with my work from american crossroads and pay my own travel expenses out of my own pocket and i thought she was encouraging volunteer grassroots activity and i'm a volunteer. second of all, look, i appreciate encouragement i ought to go home to texas and run for office and, i would be en news if the i did to have her support. but i don't think, i'm a good candidate, a balding, fat guy and second, if i did run for office and win i would serve out
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my term and i wouldn't leave office, midterm. >> chris: well, now -- how much are you enjoying this? >> you hate to see this kind of fighting inside the party. especially, the other party. it is great stuff, but, i mean, look, you've got wackle-birds and chuckleheads an moss-covered and stale. these are the three wings of the party now and the stale and moss-covered, apologizing to the wacko-birds in which is what john mccain actually did? >> ran the campaign, the screamer... >> and, this is nothing new and nothing exceptional. >> but the issue here is, i think, look, you are going to have the fights inside a party and every time you have one, the -- that party tends to lose and we have seen it on the senate, in the senate races, bill
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kristol, we have talked about it earlier, you know, you give up something when you have these fights and we have had them in the democratic party but it doesn't bode well for 2014 or 2016 because it will be settled in those primaries, not in the intervening time right now, it will be a fight that goes down in the house races and senate races in 2014 and, in the end, these two or three wings will have a fight for the presidency. >> chris: what do you think of the fight over national security and on social issues? i mean, there seems to be something going on here. >> there is, from people who watch it closely, i'm not certain how many are watching it closely. rand paul smartly took advantage of a huge mistake by air rec holder. eric holder was asked a simple question by rand paul, if a u.s. citizen, a suspected terrorist is in a coffee shop, having a cup of coffee, does the
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president have a power to take him out with a drone strike. and everybody in the republican party -- and i suspect a lot of democrats would say, no the president does not have authority to take out somebody who is sitting there having a cup of coffee and -- >> we're running out of time. bill kristol says, it ends up looking like he's running for the left of barack obama. >> he is to the left of barack obama in the regard. and it is not the thing he talked about. he believes that an wal-awlaki should have been arrested and given legal representation and tried in a court of law. virtually, all republicans, i think, would disagree with rand paul on that. but that is where the division comes, rand paul took the emphasized where republicans agreed with him and not where they disagreed. >> chris: all right, we have to take a break but i'll say, right now, this is what we're going to talk about in panel-plus, because there is a lot more to discuss. but when we come back the u.s.
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♪ >> the united states has missile defense systems in place to protect us from limited icbm attack. but, north korea in particular has recently made advances in its capabilities and is engaged in a series of irresponsible and reckless provocations. >> chris: defense secretary hagel announcing the u.s. will deploy 14 more missile interceptors in alaska to deter a threatened attack by north korea and we're back now with the panel. well, the pentagon said the expansion is in response to recent threats by the new north korean leader, kim jong-un. and, the vice chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, at the pentagon, said this: "we believe that this young lad
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ought to be deterred by that, and if he's not, we'll be ready." bill, how seriously do we really take a threat of a nuclear strike on north korea and what is it all about. >> these missile interceptors were planned by the bush administration and one of the first things the obama administration was cancel them exactly four years ago and now they are deploying them and i guess better late than never but it is a little late and north korea moved ahead with nuclear weapons tests in the last couple of years, and, tested delivery systems and, iranian observers were at the most recent nuclear tests, apparently, and, is there a serious problem now, has become a nuclear weapons state and is talking to other states that already are weapons states or are on the verge of that? yes, i'm for missile defense but it doesn't substitute for a foreign policy which deals... these things before they become nuclear states and really raises the question with iran, tom
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donelon, the national security advisor said, can you believe it, the united states will not accept now, as a nuclear state. isn't that nice? they are a nuclear state and how seriously can one then take the president when he says -- >> in fairness -- >> chris: bush talked about nuclear strikes and tests and things in north korea, as being unacceptable and it happened and we accepted. >> agreed. >> chris: you agree. >> bipartisan failure on north korea. >> chris: let's talk about the fact that this is a big change for president obama, who was scaling back on missile defense when he came into office as bill pointed out. >> it is an acknowledgment of a couple of things. one, the "little lad" declared he wants to -- >> kim jong-un. >> right, a preemptive nuclear strike against the u.s. and the threats have gone up but, what is also frightening is china seems less able to control north korea. they tried to block the latest nuclear test and were not able to do so. so, that is, i think, going on
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and we have to wean ourselves off the cycle of, they issue the provocations and we come forward or someone does with economic aid. so, those are two issues. the other thing, speaking of iran, that the chief of the strategic command said this week, we may need those missile defenses on the east coast for iran. and those are -- this is a -- something we are going to have to deal with on both fronts with both countries, but, the missile defense, they have a limited ability, they -- what are they, like 50%, the effectiveness and you have to keep pushing on all fronts. >> chris: karl it all comes as the president heads to israel, this week for his first visit as president and in an interview with israeli television, this week, he was asked about the threat from iran. take a look: >> president barack obama: now,
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we think that it would take over a year or so, for iran to actually develop a nuclear weapon. but obviously, we don't want to cut it too close. >> chris: how do you think president obama is handling the threats from north korea and from iran, and i think it is only fair to point out, both of which continued their nuclear build-up under president bush? >> well, first of all, in north korea, i think, after ten years of trying to experiment with sanctions that are loosened in the aftermath when north korea agrees to do something, we have learned painfully, that north korea never does what it says it is going to do. but, this is a tough thing to deal with. in part, self made. the u.s. has a policy calling for reunification of north and south vietnam -- north and south korea and china doesn't want them reunified and doesn't want a capitalist democracy on its border and the south koreans don't want it either, there are 50 million south koreans,
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process pus pri and, 25 million in the now, one of the most abject states of poverty one can imagine and until we forgo a unification we will not necessarily get the cooperation we need from china. so maybe we ought not to be provoked by this guy into giving any kind of concession and ought to reexamine whether we ought to step back from a policy of reunification with a hope it will, as north korea misbehaves more it will draw the chinese to help them step in. >> chris: and iran? >> the president is -- misplayed it almost from the beginning. he had a chance to destabilize and undermine the regime -- >> chris: during the election. >> in 2009. we get hints that the administration has been -- the u.s. government has been actively taking steps behind the scenes with computer viruses and so forth, to undermine -- to slow it up, but, look, one year to get a nuclear weapon is really not a lot of time and there will be one more vulnerability when the materiel
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is brought together in one place to make a weapon and i hope to god the united states and the israelis have the ability to know when the moment is and deal with it. >> chris: and the president saying, we don't want to cut it too close, seems we are close now and the interesting thing, joe, when american presidents go to israel and again, it would be obama's first trip there as president, the top issue is always the prospects for peace between the israelis and the palestinians. nobody is talking about that in any serious way now. >> no, and i don't think the president -- the white house made it pretty clear there will not be an announcement of a new peace initiative as he visits the two parties. but, the -- look, i want to get back to korea for a second here, because i think one of the things that is more important than the obama administration, changing its policy, putting the missile defense system in, is that china, now, looks like it has changed. that their inability to stop th
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threats from north korea, china seems to really now be changing its policy, actually getting involved, with the latest rounds of sanctions and pushing harder and that may be the most critical thing that comes from this, with china and the obama administration working in concert, we might actually get north korea to stand down. >> chris: in the 30 seconds or so we have left, bill, what do you expect? what is the most we can expect from the president on his trip to israel? >> well, one can expect and i think he will offer, try to offer reassurances to israel that, as he likes to put it he has israel's back and that will be meet with skepticism by the netanyahu government and, if you look at the foreign policy honestly, cold eyes, or clear eyes, and a cold mind, if you they're netanyahu government your think your security depends on yourself and you don't trust president obama to act. >> chris: thank you, panel, see you next week. don't forget to check out panel-plus where our group picks up with the discussion about the
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future of the republican party on our web site, foxnewssunday.com and we'll post the video before noon eastern time and follow us on twitter @foxnewssunday. up next our power player of the week.
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>> chris: one of the favorite past times in washington is to pick out the rising stars. in politics, and the media, and now, in food. someone who qualifies in that last area, is our power player of the week. ♪
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>> the reservation books are booked a month ahead and the weekends booked within minutes. >> he is one of the celebrity chefs and his restaurant, volt, in frederickton, maryland, folks are happy to pay $100 a person for the privilege of eating his food. >> great satisfaction i get as a chef is when a diner tries something new for the first time and are convinced or change in mind, something, you had as a child and didn't like and i see the glow in they're face air fa know i've done my job. >> the winner is brian. >> he put himself on the food map when he competed on "top chef", one of the other contestants, his brother, michael and the finalists were the two brothers. >> michael you are top chef. >> congratulations, man. >> congratulations. ♪ >> chris: how did it feel when your brother beat you.
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>> i wasn't upset or mad. you know, i was proud of the fact that he won and the fact we were both staying there together. >> chris: since then, brian has taken off. he has written a cookbook with michael. done a public television series. >> obsessed with everything food... >> chris: and opened three more restaurants. his latest, a spectacular place in washington, called "rage." with nine food stations, featuring pasta and pizza. raw seafood, and a wood oven. >> and, fish in a pan is a beautiful thing and my staff is classically trained and based in those fundamentals and we have new tools in our bag. >> chris: like what. >> little tools used in science labs. >> chris: here they put a cut of meat in a vacuum-sealed bag and cook it in water with in a tenth of a degree celsius to a medium rare and put it on a grill to finish it. >> the blend of how we first started cooking. over fire and wood and smoke. to the precision of what we have now in the

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